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Lauren

Genius! I loved this article, esp. being from Texas where voting for a fiscal conservative often means voting for someone who wants to take away your personal freedom.

Nick

I'm not sure this follows. Is it possible Scalia is just positing that the question of whether or not the state can have an interest in these matters is, as the laws are written, an open one? I think you might be conflating moral claims with legal claims.

John Thacker

Actually, Scalia was arguing that the Court can't rule on the question, or rather that the Court can't rule that the Legislature can't rule on the question. It was his opinion that the Court could not rule on the question at all.

It leads, certainly, to allowing the Legislature to take an interest in the question. But certainly the Constitution is silent itself on whether such laws are allowed. Merely because it is bad policy (or should be a right) does not mean that it's actually in the Constitution.

John Thacker

I may similarly think that the union shop or minimum wage laws violate one's right to free contract for one's labor. But that doesn't mean that Lochner v. New York (1905), which struck down minimum wage laws on that ground, is justified.

Editor - 201k

The Constitution is NOT silent on laws invading privacy: the right to privacy was established by Griswold v. Connecticut in 1965.

Scalia doesn't agree with that one either, presumably. Maybe, after he and his friends overthrow the government, he'll make a chart of acceptable sexual practices so we can all stay within the law.

Jason LaFond

This right that Scalia balks at is clearly in the Constitution in two places: The Ninth Amendment and the Privileges and Immunities clause of the Fourteenth (I believe) Amendment.

The Ninth states that "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

These Natural Rights protected by the Ninth include the right to do with one's body as one please so long as it does not violate the rights of another. Not any rights claim is justified under the Ninth Amendment, but only the liberty to act free from unjustified interference.

The function of the Privileges and Immunities Clause is to protect the citizenry as a whole against unnecessary or improper legislation that infringes upon the exercise of their civil rights or liberty.

We either accept the presumption that in pursuing happiness persons may do whatever is not justly prohibited or we are left with a presumption that the government may do whatever is not expressly prohibited. The presence of the Ninth Amendment and the Privileges and Immunities Clause in the Constitution strongly supports the first of these two presumptions.

Daniel

I think the point in the dissent, if you read it, was clear. It is not up to the Supreme Court, nor any court to decide the morality of the people. The states have elections, to elect a legislature, to make laws based on what society deems moral, and based on the reasoning in his dissent, he makes a valid argument. If it's not alright to make immoral behaivor illegal because of and based on societies values, then it cannot be argued the incest, beastiality, or child pornography as long as it is in the privacy of one's bedroom should be illegal any longer. They are all a small minority of the population as well, what's the difference. Its all moral law. Where will it stop? How do you justify any law at all, and what's the point of electing people to create laws if no one wants them enforced?

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