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Grinna

G'day Rogier, Grinna 'ere from Sydney, Oz. I 'ope you tried Aussie beer whilst in Sydney! Re the horse taboo I believe it is because Anglos only eat animals that they can have sex with and a horse is too tall. Thus you also never hear of giraffe or elephant bestiality. Don't bother about whales-you can climb inside!!!

Martin Owens

I can sympathize that you identify with the circumstances of your upbringing, and it would be unreasonable and highly insulting to expect you to apologize for your mother's taste.

But the fact remains that the horse has mystical properties in many cultures, ours not least. The Plains Indians had a saying that you could lie to your friends and family, but you must never lie to your horse, for the warrior and his horse travel together on the road to heaven. In fact I believe it was the famous Sioux warrior Black Elk who once remarked that the Indians could almost forgive the whites all the harm they did to the natives, because the whites brought the horse to America.

Likewise, the idea of chivalry comes from the French chevalier, horseman, and without the cheval (horse) where is he?

So you see, there are many men ( and women) who look to the horse for elevation and increase of power, not merely physical but psychic and spiritual, too. It was horses that took King Arthur , El Cid, Richard the Lionheart, Saladin and Joan of Arc into battle to fight for the right, and that affection lingers for anyone who has ever cheered on his favorite at the races. What boomer doesn't remember Secretariat? Or the Budweiser Clydesdales? There was Man o' War and Seabiscuit for the Greatest Generation. And before that was Comanche, the horse of General Custer, who was the only survivor at Little Big Horn, and Traveler, the faithful mount of Robert E Lee. We remember Dan Patch, the founder of the trotting horses, Justin Morgan's horse, and the Godolphin Arabian that founded the line of Thoroughbreds. What made the Hun and the Mongol, the Scythian, Turk and Plains Tribesman terrible, except their mastery of horsemanship? Likewise Alexander rode to glory on Bucephalas. Odin was carried by Sleipner, the magic steed with eight legs, and Apollo the sun God spread his light from a horsedrawn celestial chariot. For that matter, it was in the back of a horse chariot that the Hindu god Krishna enlightened his great devotee Arjuna. The story of the horse and the story of man have been intertwined for ten thousand years at least, in reality, in myth, in song, story and aspiration.

Add to that the attraction that little girls have for horses, and you can see that anyone who advocates the eating of horseflesh, except in actual desperate famine conditions, is seen by many to be as bad as a cannibal. Blowing up Bambi won't get you half the bad press.

As for me personally, I am a thorughbred trainer's son. On the race track we take a broad and tolerant view of the human condition. But there is a limit. When I was growing up I was taught that the only hopeless road to damnation, was to deliberately abuse a horse.

But hey, this is a free country. You can buy horsemeat from anyone who will sell it to you legally, ( or illegally for that matter) and you can eat it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner if you've a mind. But you also must realize that other people who admire and revere horses ( with varying degrees of reasonableness) are entitled to abominate your tastes, and hold the opinion that you are forgotten of God for indulging them.

I will defend your right to indulge your tastes, but just in case, I ain't standing next to you.

Elliott

I think the short answer is that most western cultures consider horses, dogs and cats to be pets. Therefore, we don't eat them.

Andrew Kvochick

I'm not sure about the mystical properties thing. I think the pets idea is on the right track. To me, it seems that cats, dogs, and horses are far more intelligent than cows, chickens, etc. Thus, people see an opportunity for companionship. And eating something that could potentially share some sort of "meaningful" relationship with you is about one step away from eating a person. I'm not endorsing either way, but I hope you see what I'm trying to say.

Rogier

Thanks, all, for weighing in. I wonder if there's a class phenomenon at work here. Elliott says horses are considered pets. Sure, I guess -- but to whom? Traditionally, only to the wealthy and well-to-do. To working-class folks like my parents, horses were work animals. They deserved to be treated with care and kindness, but at the end of the day, horses were utilitarian animals, there to pull a cart or plow the land, not to pamper or as the vehicle of Preakness aspirations. That meant they could be eaten too, when the time came, without sentimentality.

Martin rightfully points to all the imagery and myths that underline the supposed nobility of horses. Got it, good point, but the same reservation applies. If you're not a member of the knights/warriors class but a rural laborer or farmer with barely two nickels to rub together, such myths would be irrelevant to you, and you wouldn't consider horses noble per se; you'd probably consider them as good muscle during their lifetime and good meat thereafter.

I confess to having little or no compunction about eating any animal. If I were in an Asian country where dog was on the menu and my host assured me it was a great-tasting dish, I'd order without qualms. And I say that as the owner of two big, affectionate, well-pampered dogs.

Elliott

Perhaps I should have qualified my comment about horses as pets with the fact that I live in Texas. :-)

mare

Actually pigs are far more intelligent than horses, cows and dogs.

Still people have no problem eating them.

I personally don't have hang-ups about eating things. I ate insects, snakes and dog meat (that's meat of dogs, not for dogs). And horse meat too, although it's hard to get nowadays. I now only eat meat of animals that had a good life and a not so horrible death. I'd eat the meat of my own pets , but since they're very small dogs there is no point doing so.

Elliott

I think it's just one of those socio/cultural things that defies rational explanation.

Grinna

I can only recommend the link below regards "The Decadent Cookbook". This is a hilarious compenium of recipes of endangered or taboo animals. I, of course, have a copy:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1873982224/026-7306822-4647616

John Palubiski

If you eat "La Viande Chevaline", you should only do so sparingly.

I work as an auditor/inspector with the Canadian Food Inspection Agency and know a thing or two about animal pathologies.

There are two problemes with horsemeat; too much myoglobin and the possibility that the meat may be infected with the parasite Trichinella Spiralis.

Myoglobin when consummed in large quantities can cause serious health problemes. Trichinella Spiralis parasites can lodge themselves in human muscle tissue, such as the diaphram, and can cause serious bouts of pain

Nionetheless, I have eaten horsemeat on occasion, but never much liked the taste.

davaa togoobor

horse meat myoglobin

disgustedbyyou

Anybody that would eat a horse has an evil nature. Its a shame that people are so cold hearted. Its sickening that people are actually defending killing and eating horses.
Sick jerks...

Chris hart Lexington, Kentucky

Your all silly billy's.

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