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Bart

Crackers is the term used for native Floridians. Although there are a lot of Floridians in the NRA, I don't think that is what you were trying to say. ;]

Rogier

Bart: The first definition of 'cracker,' according to Merriam-Webster Online, is 'a bragging liar.' See http://tinyurl.com/d4cur . But crackbrain, dumbo, or nutbag work fine also, if you prefer.

Julian Morrison

ASBOs are worse than a house arrest. They're worse than a criminal conviction (and the sign guy got an ASBO not a conviction).

Worse why?

Because they allow local council bureaucrats to make up law on the spot, at whim, without crime or conviction, banning ANYTHING that was previously perfectly legal, and applying in a discriminatory manner only to one named person. They could be used to implement de-facto house arrest. They could also be used to force you to dye your hair blue and hop on your left foot. The actual order is arbitrary and unlimited.

It gets better: the standard of evidence is civil, and all that needs to be proven is that the person caused "harassment, alarm or distress". An appeal could only attack this (and it's a low enough bar that an appeal is almost bound to fail). And yet, disobeying an ASBO is a full criminal conviction which will result in jail.

ASBOs are an element-pure example of force without limits and without recourse. They're worse than a police state because a police state still has rules. They're closer to "lettres de cachet", updated to place council bureaucrats in the role of royalty.

Martin Owens

It is no accident that the British government first took the guns away, before tightening all these screws.

Eric H

Last year, while going through the line to that special hell reserved for sucker tourists called the London Eye, I pulled this tiny little pocket knife out and declared it before going through the metal detector and pat-down. When reclaiming it after the ride, they warned me that I could get arrested for it. This thing has something like a 75 mm blade on it and is mostly useful for cutting cheese on picnics. Arrested!? You couldn't threaten grade schoolers with this thing.

Later in the trip, I caught a 40 minute long BBC special about salt in your food, and what the government is going to do about it. So I expect that salt shakers are going to be on the list of banned and arrestable paraphernalia, and that right soon.

Dan

Having lived and worked in an area of Britain where low-level terrorists of the community were able to do their mischief unchecked by either civil or governmental forces, I have sympathy for the ASBO, but I also know it doesn't work. Something else needs to be done with career petty criminals (who mostly, by the way, live in public housing) who terrorise neighborhoods and commit low-level property and violent crime. Jail would be a good start.

chris

"It is no accident that the British government first took the guns away, before tightening all these screws."

Subsequent but hardly consequent, methinks. You might as well argue that the British stopped wearing powdered wigs, before all these skinheads started terrorising poor neighbourhoods.

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