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Phil

As a security measure, putting a big focus on racial profiling is at best not very effective. It is natural to keep a more watchful eye on the people who look like the people who've committed atrocities in the past, but in doing so you're leaving yourself open in a big way to future attacks.

Terrorists and plain-old nutjobs do not fit a racial profile.

Muslims are attacking the US now. They're in the headlines. Muslims that look and act like we think Muslims look and act. But they're not stupid. That will change.

Just as McVeigh is an anomaly, so were the attacks on the towers. It's very easy to go back even 20 years and look at just how well profiling would've worked in any number of tragedies. Examples:


1962: The first ever commercial jetliner hijacking. Carried out by a 34 year old white American male, apparently for an insurance scam.

1986: The Hindawi Affair, wherein semtex explosives were found in the bag of a pregnant Irish woman. Later, it was found that the stuff was put there by her fiance, a Jordanian. Racial profiling couldn't have known this from how she looked.

1994: FedEX Flight 705, carried out by Auburn Calloway, from Memphis, Tennessee. Also apparently for insurance.

I could go on, but, oddly enough, I'm late for Snakes On A Plane.

colson

Hindsight is 20/20. The problem is that in order to adequately profile someone standing in line at an airport, you need to know information about their personal life, motivations, religious affiliation, etc. How does this information make it to screeners ahead of your arrival at the airport?

My ex-girlfriend's mother was native american and managed to get searched on every single flight we boarded to and from New York when we went on vacation there. The problem with racial profiling is that you have to know more about the person otherwise you can only go on skin color which invariably does not work.

Phil

Well, Colson, that's not *racial* profiling, then. That's just profiling. An important difference.

GreginOz

Well now, Racial Profiling CAN help us identify the true terrorists. Lemme see; they are (mostly) white, religious, drive SUVs, watch FoxNews and CNN, and have a "support the troops" sticker displayed prominently on their vehicle.

James Pawlak-Matemoros

It is NOT "Racial Profiling"; But, "Crime OR Criminal Profiling". As all Muslims must believe that their "Allah" commands them to be in a state of perpetual war with all "unbelievers", every Muslim is a hard and fast suspect for all acts-of-war (Including terror attacks).

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Vache Folle

Racial profiling would be inefficient and would do little more than permit us to feel as we were doing something. Since only a very small percentage of Muslims are terrorists, extra scrutiny of Muslims will not be particularly productive and will divert resources from more meaningful detection and prevention efforts.

markm

The question is, how do you recognize Muslims by sight? IIRC, Bin Laden told his 19 suicide hijackers to lose the beards and turbans. Surely Allah will forgive a minor violation of the rules to forward a larger goal... (Was frequenting a strip club while waiting for 9/11 also protective coloration?)

Go by skin color, and the next batch of recruits will be light-skinned. The only thing that would actually work (most of the time) would be deep background checks of as many travelers as possible - but since the TSA is so incompetent that it can't even include descriptions in a list of names once used by suspected terrorists, and so stops babies and fat old Irish-American senators because their names happen to match, the chance of them doing background investigations properly seems even slimmer than the chance of them getting any use out of such information.

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