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tomk

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to oppose Clinton, but her mendacity isn't one of them. Every politician would have to be disqualified. She is now claiming that the story was told to her by her mother and that Hillary didn't realize it was fabrication until after her trip.

The linked article on this issue found this story implausible(that she wouldn't discover "until she was 60 that a story of her naming was false) but I disagree. My siblings and I, in our 50's and 60's, still discover odd and conflicting accounts from our the early days of our family when we get together.

If she in fact invented this tale, was that morally wrong? Or do you perceive it to be wrong because of your (possibly irrational) dislike of Hillary.

Again, I am not a supporter of Hillary, but when I see things like your cheap jab at her a few posts back, and this post about a harmless family myth, it tends to arouse my sympathy.

Do you have an example of a "huge" lie of "vital import" that she Hillary Clinton has told?

I put in a vote for you, and while I'm here,I'll mention that Glenn Greenwald has a recent post on hate crime legislation that will be of interest to libertarians, not just liberals with libertarian leanings like me

Martin Owens

If Hilary CLinton is the choice
The Demo party makes
The GOP will pack the polls
Carrying garlic and stakes.

Rogier

Tom:

I agree that most politicians have a propensity to embellish, exaggerate, obfuscate, and lie. Would you in turn agree with me that Mrs. Clinton does these same things? From there we can move on to the matter of DEGREE.

Perhaps -- and this is the most positive spin I can put on it -- perhaps she told small fibs like the one about being named after Sir Edmund Hillary as a social pleasantry, because she was trying to be nice and charming to the great adventurer. I don't know if that's immoral but yes, together with everything else she so easily lies about -- from her questionable commodities trading back in Arkansas to the foreign-policy experience she claims to have but doesn't -- I do find it troubling. The Edmund Hillary story reinforces the notion that she will say whatever gets her in the good graces of the constituency of the moment (even if it's a constituency of one).

More so than most other politicians, in my book, madam Clinton is a waffler, someone who cunningly couches her positions (such as they are) in a way so as to afford herself maximum deniability later on. She manages to be in favor of something at the same time that she is against it.

Her longtime position on the Iraq war (and now we're getting into big-lie, vital-import territory) reflects that. She was a hawk until the mood of he country began turning a year or two ago, and suddenly we hear that she was never that much of a war supporter after all, even though she authorized America's illegal 'pre-emptive' incursion against a sovereign country that posed no credible mortal threat to us. But I've never heard her say that she was flat-out wrong on the issue -- only that the media and the electorate have failed to understand what she meant all along.

Hillary Clinton is a truth-challenged blameshifter. If my pointing that out makes you more sympathetic towards her, then, my friend, you deserve her as our next president -- just as the unserious gaggle of women voters does when they handed her the victory in New Hampshire last week because Hillary had just almost cried (or more likely, 'almost' 'cried'. Certainly, the timing of the episode was impeccable).

To me, she is everything that's wrong (disingenuous and un-genuine) with politics. (For the record, so are Huckabee, Giuliani, and any number of other politicians, on either side of the aisle, who are frequently horsewhipped on these web pages.)

Thanks for the vote for this blog, by the way. Now I'll go check out Glenn Greenwald...

Phelps

I think she has the same tenuous grip on reality that Kerry had. He would watch a movie (Apocalypse Now, The Day After Tomorrow) and think he lived it. Apparently Hillary has the same problem with history books.

Windypundit

I don't know much about Hillary, but it sounds like it could be a case of out-of-control salesmanship. I've run into people who are always selling, selling, selling, and sometimes they lose track of reality.

I think it starts with exaggeration and optimism, and then becomes the most positive spin that can't be refuted, then the most positive story that can't be refuted, and then the most positive story where people refuting it can be accused of dishonesty, and then...

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