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Martin Owens

Hmm.

I'm no friend of the Jihadis, but in all fairness I have to say that if those cartoons were penned about Isreal or Jewish people there'd be hell to pay.

At the same time I see your point: to formally suppress this is to endow it with martyr status. Bad move.

Guy got no class, though.

Jimbo

Martin, do I have news for you. Such cartoons, and much worse, are being penned about Israel and the Jewish people. Some material distributed by e.g. Iranian and Palestinian media would make your stomach turn, if you care to look for it. I've seen some ghastly "children's" programmes so full of hatred and intolerance against non-Muslims that they gave me nightmares.

i actually find that these pictures are quite funny

Sammy8245

Actually, I do believe that cartoons like these do incite hatred and violence.....usually all done by the Muslims.

thierry

neither jews or Islamic or Christian, or Socialist, or fashist or what ever power it is,as far it tries to impose his view to all the others,
the real freedom is to leave the critic open, and humour is a light signal of a reality. One of the last window of breathing....
provocation throught humour against a real observation of the twistd morality, twisted respect of people rights brings us like a wake up call.
Please just observe why especialy this man has been in jail ?
then think.
thanks.

Micki

Most of the cartoons were quite blunt and boring. By I checked them out BECAUSE the Dutch government censors them.
FIGHT for freedom of expression. Don't let the neocons get the opportunity to further muffle people. This is a typical example where the muslims will get blamed when the western government further destroys peoples liberties.

Chris Yonts

It's INSANE to arrest someone over cartoons. A testament to the INSANITY of Islam.

Martin Owens

Dear Jimbo:

I am well aware of the homicidal anti-Semitic slime that passes for opinion journalism in much of the Middle East and the Muslim world. I've lived and worked in Saudi Arabia, after all.

My point is, press freedom has to cut both ways or not at all. At least hold all comers to the same standard.

I still think that the cartoonist could have made his point much less coarsely, and without rolling in the same gutter as the Jew-haters, though.

Martin Owens

Dear Jimbo:

I am well aware of the homicidal anti-Semitic slime that passes for opinion journalism in much of the Middle East and the Muslim world. I've lived and worked in Saudi Arabia, after all.

My point is, press freedom has to cut both ways or not at all. At least hold all comers to the same standard.

I still think that the cartoonist could have made his point much less coarsely, and without rolling in the same gutter as the Jew-haters, though.

AbuNudnik

Oh Martin! Name me ONE instance where publishing anti-Semitic cartoons unleashed violence by Jews.

Martin Owens

Dear AbuNudnik

Violence, as a Jewish judge opined when sentencing Michael Milken, can take many forms.


The short answer to your question is that no one outside of an Aryan Brotherhood prison cell would even consider publishing anything anti-Semitic, in writing or pictures. They know that lawsuits are quite likely and blackballing would be inevitable.


Remember the Air Force general who was forced to resign for saying that "the Jews controlled the banks?" Mel Gibson's career terminated for a drunken rant that the Jews somehow "caused all the wars"?

No overt physical damage is necessary when intimidation is genuinely effective. ( Not that people like Rabbi Kahane or the JDL were exactly allergic to going upside somebody's head.) And it is, rightly or wrongly, a very strong taboo in this society to say anything derogatory about Hebrews, and in some cases any disagreement at all is
verboten.

Nor, however, is the other side of the coin any better: the slavish adherence to anti-Isreali propaganda by the PC thugs who
have taken over our universities.

Once again, all I argue for is a single standard applied in a standard manner to all. It may not be perfect justice, but it's probably as much as we can hope for.

bernieg2

While purposely inciting to riot and violence, which is the purpose of most anti-Israeli or anti-Jewish cartoons by Muslims, should be a crime, it should not be illegal to insult any group. Showing a Muslim having sex with a goat does not ask anyone to kill a Muslim, only to pity the poor fellow that his religion forbids him the use of prostitutes or his hand.

Making it illegal to insult is only one tiny step from forbidding criticism which is only a tinier step away from forbidding even discussion. Islamic societies have already reached this last step: the Quran is uncreated and immutable, one can repeat mindlessly the various suras but certainly one cannot discuss the possibility that the Quran is not the final word of God. To do so is blasphemy and punishable by death as Rushdie has found out.

On my blog, I do whatever I can to insult Muslims, to show Islam as the savage, primitive, vile, barbaric faux-religion it really is. Hopefully in the US we will be one of the last places to forbid anti-Muslim opinions.

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