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smurfy

Other Car manufacturers do the same thing with the cheap starter tires. I just replaced my 07 Subaru tires at 11,000 miles.

Get this rook: My wife hit a curb, one tire developed a bubble in the sidewall. I took it to the dealer to purchase 1 replacement tire, the other 3 being brand new in my mind. Dealer informs me that since the other 3 are worn by slightly more than 2/32 of an inch, I cannot replace just one, it will throw the AWD out of balance. OK, I'll take a pair. Nope! I have to replace all 4 or it will void my warranty for any and all AWD parts, oh and BTW, we already have that flagged on your VIN in our computer system so all Subaru Dealers will see it.

At least you and I will stick to the road this winter.

Martin Owens

RE: Cold climates lead to higher IQs and attract more civilized people:

I got two words for you.

Cleveland, Ohio.

hermesten

Second on Smurfy. I don't normally buy new cars --I buy used-- but my new company car, a Buick, needed new tires at about 20,000 miles.

martin

Tread Life isn't Everything

After a few decades in the car repair business I have never heard of "starter tires". I have found that OEM installed tires are quite good. That aside, tire life is an inherent compromise between road holding/handling and tread life. It is further influenced by many hard-to-quantify variables, such as driving style (lots of hard cornering, high speeds), prevalent road surfaces (smooth, rough, potholes, dirt road), climate (lots of direct UV and heat or extreme cold) and by far not least maintenance. The last is the most obvious. How many vehicles have you followed where you could plainly see grossly underinflated tires with bulges like love handles or the vehicle overloaded without increasing tire pressure? How many people check tire pressures regularly? Heck, there isn't even generally available accurate equipment for the task. Especially Americans are incredibly lazy when it comes to tire maintenance. Hence the mandated, expensive tire monitoring systems on newer vehicles.
On to the tread life issue. You can't have grippy tires that last 60000 miles. By necessity long-life tires have to be harder to resist abrasion. Hard tires are most obvious and most dangerous in damp and wet conditions - with often desastrous results. I personally have never understood the focus on high-mileage warranties any more than lifetime warranted brake pads. It's BS, in my book. Further, you get what you pay for. Cheap tires are just that - cheap. Out of round is a problem I have frequently encountered. Performance tires are expensive for a reason, not just because they make everybody more profit. Lastly, what good is a high-mileage tire whose tread lasts 5 years if, two years into its life, it has been battered so much by curbs, potholes, running over rocks and the environment that it becomes an unbalanceable, thumping, vibrating dangerous piece - the only contact between you and the road? Tread life isn't everything.

Blakenator

I have bought quite a few new vehicles and my experince is the tires last somewhere between 30-40K with one exception. I bought a Dodge truck and changed out the tires at 105K with about another 5-7K left because my wife was worried about a long trip we were taking. I was closely monitoring them from 40K on. I am convinced the tire company made a mistake with that lot because it hardly fits the pattern. Hermesten makes some valid points but I firmly believe low wear tires is intentional on new cars. Hey, it helps the economy.

HKL

The tire monitoring devises were installed more due to liability concerns, than the lazy Americans, although I must agree too many of us have severe brain deficiencies. But the rest of the world certainly doesn't lack their's.

It's been notorious for manufacturers to use cheaper tires, shocks, etc. in new vehicles. It simply saves them costs. We pay the price twice.

karlt

You're complaining about getting 30,000 miles out of a set of car tyres? Word of advice- don't buy a motorbike, the tyre life will terrify you!

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